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The Wolf of Wall Street and 13 Films From 2013


On 01/02/2014 at 02:03 AM by Super Step

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So I rang in the New Year last night with a party, where I drank alcohol, threw darts in an area people were walking through after drinking that alcohol, and had good times with old friends. Today, I continued the festivities by going with my mom and dad to see The Wolf of Wall Street and eating a steak dinner with them and my brother afterwards. I have not slept since roughly 8PM, December 31st. 

As luck would have it, I saw exactly 13 movies on some form of silver screen in 2013, so here's quick impressions of The Wolf of Wall Street, which came out on Christmas, but I saw today, and the 13 movies I saw in 2013, in order of when I saw them last year. 

The Wolf of Wall Street reminded me quite a bit of Goodfellas, in that it follows a criminal narrating his own life, is based on a true story, is directed by Martin Scorsese, depicts excess in the extreme, and arguably endears you to characters you probably shouldn't like as much as you do at times. 

The difference here is where Goodfellas was mostly dark and serious, this movie manages to be a hilarious celebration of debauchery, while also being a biting critique of it. Characters are endearing and charismatic, yet absolutely despicable, somehow simultaneously. It left me with conflicted emotions in the best way, and from a technical standpoint, all of the acting and directing is top-notch, as expected. 

I will say that it felt a bit long. I thought it was ending multiple times, but it kept going. Plus, some physical comedy scenes just missed the mark on overstaying their welcome, with pretty much the same gag being played out over long periods of time. But, where other movies might feel like a chore after the second or third time you get faked out by a non-ending, this kept my attention throughout, and I was always interested in where it was going next. While we've all seen the Family Guy jokes that go on way too long, the physical humor seen here keeps its gags mostly fresh before cutting right about when I was getting tired of them. 

If you have roughly three hours to spare and aren't  easily offended or faint of heart; seriously, I could see someone passing out from the sheer amount of coke and tits on screen; I highly recommend it. 

If you want more on the real life person it's based on, look up Jordan Belfort. 

Olympus Has Fallen is one of the dumbest, corniest, and predictable action movies I've seen in a long time, and I loved it. If you're a fan of Saints Row-esque zaniness, or ridiculous-but-ridiculously-fun action movies a la 90s Stallone/Van Damme flicks, check it out. Just go in knowing this movie is the farthest thing away from Oscar masturbation a movie can get. Think 'splosion masturbation instead. Some of the CGI and green screen effects were poorly done, but in a way, that added to the stupid fun I had with this movie. Mileage may vary. 

42 was also corny and predictable, but very enjoyable. It's definitely a by-the-numbers sports movie with a saccharine, manipulative score to match, but it does what it's trying to do very well. You really do feel for and root for Jackie Robinson as he faces intense racism, and in my opinion, the movie is worth seeing for Harrison Ford's scenery chewing as the Brooklyn Dodgers' GM alone. Favorite line, spoken by Harrison Ford's character when explaining his controversial decision to hire Robinson: "I'm a Methodist, Jackie's a Methodist, God's a Methodist. He's in good company." 

Iron Man 3 (SPOILERS-ISH?)was a bit of a letdown, honestly. I was given high hopes by reviews, and I did like RDJ's interactions with the child actor as well as the action sequences and humor, but the overall plot felt weak to me. I've grown to not like stories that revolve around some form of Super Soldier Serum, cause I feel it's been done to death, and nothing about this movie changed the formula up enough for me to care that much about it. Sure, the surprise caught me off guard, and I was genuinely amused by it at first, but then I realized it also meant they really were going with the boring Super Soldier plot. 

There's nothing technically wrong with it, and it does have good laughs and an awesome end credits sequence, but the type of story it wound up being just wasn't all that interesting to me. Plus, Tony/Iron Man was getting pretty stupidly reckless for such a genuis billionaire. I liked that they addressed issues Stark was having post-Avengers, but I honestly didn't find those scenes all that compelling, either. I have similar issues based on much less than he went through, so I'm not judging the character, but certain scenes felt less to me like heart-wrenching drama, and more like times to check my watch to see how long this one will last. 

Most of you probably did or would like this more than me, but I just thought it was ok. 

Star Trek Into Darkness was great, in my opinion. It probably had a billion plot holes, but I enjoy the characters and action enough to not really care. Sure, it's mostly a retread of a previous Trek movie with some 9/11 conspiracy theory metaphors sprinkled in, but damn was it fun to watch. This was by far my favorite summer blockbuster of the year, Future Spock's pussyfooting and probably plotholes I didn't notice be damned. 

The Great Gatsby  was a book I was supposed to read in high school. I remembered Old Egg and New Egg, and that was about it. The movie was a bit bloated, but I really liked the bombast and style it was directed with. I thought the mix of older jazz and newer music worked well enough, and I actually got pretty caught up in the story. It's not for everyone, but I enjoyed the symbolism, characters, story, and visual spectacle quite a bit, even if I thought it could have been a bit shorter. 


Man of Steel was a huge letdown for me. I was excited to see what Snyder, Goyer, and Nolan would do to rejuvinate the superhero after Superman Returns and ... well, the action was definitely adrenaline-pumping, and it certainly got me to remember IHOP is open 24/7 and that there's a 7-11 near me. Look, the criticisms of this movie have been all over the place, and I largely tend to agree with many of those, and not the rebuttals to them. If you want more specifics, just ask, but I really didn't like this one. Except Michael Shannon as Zod. That haminess was pretty great. 


Despicable Me 2 was about on par with the first one for me. I like that these movies are just fun for fun's sake, and don't feel the need to branch too far outside of just being comedies. That's often all I really want from cartoons like these: laughter and zany antics. This movie delivers what it promises, and it's a lot of fun. 


Pacific Rim is another movie that just embraces the goofiness that it is. My favorite fight scene was the one on the streets of Tokyo, but just in general, the theme music and special weapon usage on big monsters brought back the feeling of being a kid and rooting for the Zords in Power Rangers to kick some giant robot/monster ass while a kick-ass rock soundtrack played in the background. 

Beyond all that, though, I think my favorite part was probably Ron Perlman's gold-studded pimp-daddy character. I just loved any time he was on screen. The outfits he wore made me laugh. 


The Wolverine was a bit slower than I expected, but I loved what felt like a noir escape movie set in a beautifully shot Japan. The shots of Japanese houses in the snow were amazing on their own, and the action and serious tone of the movie worked well, in my opinion. Hell, I even liked that Viper chick everyone else seemed to hate.

It did get boring at times, but if it comes on FX or you find it on DVD, it's definitely worth watching in my opinion. 


The World's End is one I saw with friends just before my first semester of grad school was starting. I fell asleep early on, but it looked pretty funny. I did at least get to where the robots show up, and a bit past that scene. 


Now You See Me came out last summer, I think, but I saw it last November when my college had a drive-in screening of it. My friend and I had a good time getting free drinks and popcorn and making fun of the movie's non-existent logic. I wouldn't say it was a good movie, but I had a good time watching it. 


The Hunger Games: Catching Fire might be my least favorite book in the trilogy. I say "might" because I have yet to finish reading Mockingjay, so while it's seeming much better right now, there's still potential for it to go south. 

The movie fixed a lot of problems I had with the book, though. I ultimately felt more sympathy for Katniss when I saw her trying to figure out what people were trying to tell her with just hints and looks. In the book, I felt it was incredibly obvious what was going to happen, and all of my predictions from the second half of the book on were correct. I also felt like Katniss was a bit of a dolt for not putting 2+2 together, but in the movie, I can relate more with her struggle to pick up on social cues, whether it be the translation to a visual medium without her internal monologue spelling things out for her without her realizing, or maybe just the fact Jennifer Lawrence is pretty clouded my judgment. 

I feel like the books are pretty much made to be turned into movies anyway, given the plot and character-driven focus and action scenes. I also feel strongly that they were made to be turned into movies that use tripods. Thankfully, they keep the camera still in this one, and it effectively captures many of the emotions of the people in the Districts and members of the Capitol without making me want to vomit like Haymitch after a pub crawl, so that's nice. 

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug was the best movie I saw in 2013, in my opinion. Unlike its more slow-paced predecessor, which I also liked, this one picked up early on and just kept going. This movie contains possibly the best action scene I have ever witnessed, taking place down the river of a forest outside of an elf kingdom, featuring amazingly fluid track shots and editing, as well as brutally inventive orc murders. Smaug and CGI spiders look awesome as well, and add greatly to believability of the balls-out fantasy action taking place. 

It also has a funny cameo by Stephen Fry, an incredibly hot, ass-kicking she-elf, and great characters, humor, and pacing in general.

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of LotR movies. I'm usually not that interested in the story or overlarge cast of characters, and just want to see some impeccably choreographed killing, hear the epic score, and maybe take in the beautiful New Zealand landscapes. This movie, however, had me hooked and invested in everything that was going on. It is by far my favorite of the Peter Jackson LotR films. Of course, Hobbit is the only Tolkien book I ever actually finished, so perhaps I'm biased. I love how these movies fill you in on what Gandalf is doing while he's away, too. 

Next blogs: Games I've bought during the Steam sale, books I've read, TV shows I've watched. 


 

Comments

jgusw

01/02/2014 at 07:01 AM

My wife & I were suppose to see The Hobbit this past weekend, but our plans didn't fall through.  I saw many of these movies.  I enjoyed most of them.  Olympus Has Fallen was a bit too stupid.  It was fun, but my friends & I just laughed at all the dumb stuff that happens.  

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 11:04 AM

I can definitely see that. My friend and I had abou the same reaction to Now You See Me.

Sorry your plans fell through, unless of course you found something better. If you happen to catch Hobbit in future, it really is woth it for that action scene alone for me, although I realize going "holy crap that was awesome" at two orcs being shot through the head and nailed to the same tree may not be everyone'sreaction, so I suppose mileage may vary. lol

Matt Snee Staff Writer

01/02/2014 at 09:21 AM

i didn't love Man of Steel at first either, but I've grown to really like it, especially how Snyder shot it.  It's an interesting work.  I didn't like Iron Man 3 either, even though it's very likeable, but I thought the plot was weak. 

I didn't see quite as many movies, and some of these I still want to see like the Wolf of Wall Street and PAcific Rim. 

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 11:12 AM

I felt the camera shook a bit too much and didn't like a lot of the rapid zooming, but I will admit the action scenes looked pretty top notch. Like with Superman Returns, I like it fine, and I'd watch it again at home, but it just wasn't quite what I wanted. In my opinion, those movies are both very flawed for very different reasons, but I'm not enough of a Grinch to not enjoy them at all, I just find them disappointing.

I did like Iron Man 3. It had some really good elements, but like you said, I thought the plot was weak as well. 

I hope you're able to see Pacific Rim and Wolf of Wall Street. I liked WoWS quite a bit more, but Pacific Rim was fun, too. The only movie still in theaters I'm really jonesing to see is American Hustle. Otherwise, the only movie I truly regret not being able to see in theaters is Gravity. The rest I feel fine with catching on DVD. 

C.S.3590SquadLeader

01/02/2014 at 11:10 AM

I liked Man of Steel, but I understand why a lot of other people didn't. My personal favorites are Pacific Rim & The World's End.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 12:55 PM

I enjoyed Man of Steel for the awesome action scenes, and I didn't have as strong a reaction as some people, but I was hoping for something a bit different. I didn't hate it, but I definitely thought some of the actions and dialogue either made no sense, or could be rather clunky at times. 

Are Pacific Rim and The World's End  your overall favorites, or just favorites on this list? I need to watch all of TWE soon. I wonder if it's on Red Box. Even better, maybe they'll show the Cornetto trilogy somewhere on TV. Laughing Is TWE your favorite of the trilogy?

C.S.3590SquadLeader

01/03/2014 at 12:39 PM

They're my favorites overall, though I didn't see that many new movies this year. Of the Cornetto trilogy Hot Fuzz is my favorite, guess I'm a sucker for extended gunfight sequences.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/03/2014 at 12:56 PM

Hot Fuzz is my favorite as well, and after watching The World's End legitimately last night, that is a close second. I'm still not as big a fan of Shaun of the Dead as most people, though that may be because I'm not big on zombies and didn't understand a lot of the horror movie references.

goaztecs

01/02/2014 at 11:24 AM

I guess I only saw Fast and Furious 6 and Iron Man 3. I liked IM3 but I didn't like it as much as the first two. 

After reading about Wolf of Wall Street being like Goodfellas, I think you just sold me on watching it.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 01:00 PM

I don't know if I liked Iron Man 2 or 3 better. The first one is definitely my favorite, though. I still need to see the new FF movies, they sound like fun. Maybe 5 or 6 are at Red Box. 

And yeah, certain elements of WoWS are a lot like Goodfellas to me, which makes sense given Scorsese directed both, but it's definitely different, too. Go in expecting less gritty, serious violence and more over-the-top comedic office debauchery and I think you'll enjoy it. Also, go to the bathroom before hand, it's a long sit. It would have been my favorite of 2013 had I caught it in time, though, so I think it's worth it.

Aboboisdaman

01/02/2014 at 11:45 AM

The only movie I saw off this list is Man of Steel. The ONLY reason why I went and saw that was because Amy Adams was in it lol. My god! I am hopelessly in love with her. I'm looking forward to the Hobbit coming out on dvd though.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 01:03 PM

She's in American Hustle as well. I hear she's great in it. I actually didn't like her that much in MoS, but she is sexy and a great actress overall. You liked Man of Steel though, didn't you? I can definitely see why people like it, it has a lot going for it.

Hobbit movies to me are SFX spectacles, which I generally try and catch in theaters, but yeah, maybe being able to pause and go to the restroom can help  it be more enjoyable. lol 

Aboboisdaman

01/02/2014 at 01:15 PM

I thought it was ok. I've never been into Superman. Honestly, I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more if that theatre wasn't so damn packed. I literally sat in the front row off to the side because there were no seats. By the time I got out of there my neck was hurting so bad. I'll have to check out American Hustle. I try to watch everything Amy Adams is in. I even watched the new Muppet movie lol. Sealed

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 02:35 PM

I friggin' loved the new Muppet movie, it was one of the first dates I went on at the start of last year, watching that in my college's discount movie theater. No need to be embarassed about that one, in my opinion. 

I also thought MoS was just ok. I couldn't imagine craning my neck for it, though. I think with that plus all the camera movement, I'd have gotten a headache. That's why I try to avoid times when I know theaters or movies will be busy, unless I've been planning to see one for a while with a group. 

KnightDriver

01/02/2014 at 02:25 PM

I enjoyed Despicable Me 2 a lot. Pacific Rim was fun too. I was with a friend of mine who really hated it though. I kept telling him it was just big dumb fun, but he couldn't get into it.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 02:36 PM

I wasn't as amazed by Pacific Rim as a lot of other people, so I can see where your friend was coming from. I had fun, though.

KnightDriver

01/02/2014 at 03:35 PM

He was a big Always Sunny in Philadelphia fan and loved the Charlie Day moments. We both joked that there should've been more of Charlie Day in the movie. He was great as the loony genius scientist.

KnightDriver

01/02/2014 at 03:37 PM

charlieday

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/02/2014 at 03:40 PM

I loved Charlie Day and everyone else in Horrible Bosses. I liked him in PR too, but Ron Perlman's character is still my favorite. 

KnightDriver

01/02/2014 at 03:51 PM

Yea, Ron was cool too. Probably the best role I've seen him in recently. At least the funniest.

Alex-C25

01/02/2014 at 11:36 PM

I personally really liked both Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel.

Though Iron Man 3 didn't expand much of the plot and I wish it also showed more of other characters, I thought what it had was great plot-wise and I really liked the character development Tony went through, the action scenes were great, the humor really worked, and honestly, let's just say it actually clicked on me the movie and I thought it's the better one of the trilogy.

Man of Steel, I admit it had some flaws. It took a while to get settled into the movie, the shaky camera was bothersome at times, the blatant product placements, maybe some scenes weren't well developed and some awkward implications (for example, the ship with the Kryptonian embryos getting blow up). Both other than that, it had great action scenes, score, special effects, acting, and overall the story, characters and ideas were great and I really felt like Henry Cavill was Superman. Just my 2 cents.

I do agree with you about Now you See Me. Stupid, contrived but also fun.

I think you pretty much know I loved Catching Fire and I consider it my second favorite film of the year only behind Gravity. Oh, and you should watch Gravity now that I mentioned the movie.

Sadly, either of lazyness or time, I couldn't watch a lot of movies in 2013. Still need to see Into Darkness, Pacific Rim, Wolverine, The World's End and Desolation of Smaug.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/03/2014 at 01:11 AM

I agree with everything you said about Iron Man 3, except for the plot. I just don't dig Super Soldier Serum-induced bad guys at this point. I did like the movie, and I can see why it's your favorite, but for me it's 1, then 3, then 2 in terms of how much I like each one.

I'm honestly not sure I was able to pay much attention to the finer details about MoS, but on the bright side, he never has to wear a condom now, assuming his partner is "clean." He really is a Superman ... lucky fucking ... anyway, I liked the action scenes/SFX in MoS quie a bit, they really did get my adrenaline going. I actually drove a bit too fast on my way out. The acting wasn't bad, it just felt flat to me, minus Zod's awesome scenery chewing. If there's one thing I seem to enjoy consistently in new Superman movies, it's over-the-top bad guys. I ... really did not feel Henry Cavill was Superman, more like an alien with a really dark blue suit, but that was not Cavill's fault, I just didn't like the way Superman was written in this.

I really do need to see Gravity. I'll catch it on Red Box. In fact, I just got The World's End on Red Box to catch what I missed right now. lolAnd Catching Fire was a great movie, but I think the second part of the Hunger Games trilogy may be my least favorite. I can definitly see why you have it as your number 2, though.

If I had to rank the movies you're wanting to see in order, I'd say Into Darkness, Desolation of Smaug and The World's End (finished watching just now) are about equal, then Pacific Rim, then The Wolverine. Mileage may vary.

transmet2033

01/03/2014 at 08:17 AM

I used to go to the theater twice a month at least.  Those times have clearly disappeared.  I think that I only went to one film this year in the theater...  Man of Steel.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/03/2014 at 11:40 AM

How did you like it? That seems to be everyone's choice for a 2013 one-off around here. lol

And I went to the movies like I was a damn critic in 2012, but there was a whole few months I didn't go at all this year thanks to grad school, so this list is a bit shorter than what I usually do ... maybe? I don't keep count usually, I just go a lot, cause I'm a bit of a movie buff. Anyway, the only other movie I might see in theaters from last year is American Hustle, then I'll be catching Gravity on DVD.

Halochief90

01/04/2014 at 06:13 PM

I'll just do my impressions on the movies I did see out of these. I'm pretty surprised how many people were disappointed with Iron Man 3 after what I thought was an incredibly boring second movie. IM3 definitely wasn't as good as the first movie, but it was good enough to not make me give up on the franchise like the second movie.

I was floored by the story and effects when I saw Into Darkness in theatres, but on rewatch it didn't hold up. I'm a little conflicted how I feel about this one now.

Man of Steel was one of the worst movies I saw this year. I basically wanted to leave the theatre in the first ten minutes, but I suffered through nearly three more hours of it anyway. The action scenes were way over-the-top action and the story was a complete mess that threw in flashbacks seemingly at random. I'm surprised that a lot of people actually love this movie.

Wolverine was okay. Japan was beautiful, but it never felt genuine to me. Maybe it had something to do with so many people running around with guns in a country where it's basically impossible to get one.

Finally, I saw the Hobbit which was a lot better than I was expected. I agree, that action scene was very impressive. Like the first movie, I felt this was still too long with some unnessessary scenes. Otherwise though, it was surprising gripping. Especially when Smaug came into the picture.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/04/2014 at 07:40 PM

I liked 3 a lot better than 2 as well, don't get me wrong. 3 had a lot going for it, it's just that my bias against Super Soldier Serum baddies is almost as strong as my one against zombies. Plus, I was kind of hoping that twist wasn't going to be the direction everything went in, though I did find it funny and admire Shane Black's balls. I admire them a lot. In my house ...

I haven't rewatched Into Darkness yet, but that was definitely a great flick, in my opinion. I'm not sure I care how much sense it does or doesn't make when scrutinized.

I'm not that surprised so many people liked MoS, it had some pretty good action and I guess people liked the plot and characters. I just thought the scenes with Pa Kent especially made no damn sense, and it was a bit of a mess with the editing and camera work and dark visuals I think should remain a Batman thing. Make Superman a symbol and have him face brutality and darkness, but I don't think you need to have the same "dark" look every other Hollywood film has now to do it. I thought its look was really uninspired, and the characters didn't make any sense at times. Apparently, there are plot holes, but I honestly gave up and just watched the action scenes when they came up, which in my opinion were actually a pretty strong part of the movie, along with Michael Shannon as Zod.

The guns thing didn't bother me. All the people who seemed to have them were connected with the rich guy, weren't they? There's definitely possibilities that open up to you with wealth, largely regardless of what country you're in. I also felt it was mostly just ok, but any lapse in realism really isn't a problem for me in these kinds of movies, so I just enjoyed the amazing Japan shots while I wasn't yawning at the slower pace of some scenes or being genuinely captivated by others.

I think you can argue just about any Tolkien work, including by extension the film interpretations by Jackson, are overlong and contain unnecessary scenes. I however, thought this movie was actually paced incredibly well, and beat every other movie in this entire series in the pacing department by a New Zealand landscape mile. Oddly enough, I actually thought Smaug's monologuing was the one thing that may have been on just a bit too long.

avidacridjam

01/06/2014 at 04:50 PM

Loved Wolf of Wall Street. Every minute of it. If it seems excessive, that's the point. These assclowns retreated to the same material creature comforts repeatedly and upped the ante everytime. It's bonkers to witness but completely in character. The quualude sequence was breath-taking in that I couldn't stop laughing. I've never seen DiCaprio do anything like that (nor did I thought he had it in him) and he was brilliant. It will definitely be in a top 10 list for him; not strong enough to crack the top five, methinks.

I'd comment in detail about MOS, but I've had this argument too many times. Love it or hate it, this wasn't the Richard Donner film. It doesn't have the marks of a compromised production like that film (or the sequel). It keeps a consistent tone, its thematically solid and for me was emotionally powerful in the quieter moments as well as the action scenes. It's not the definitive cinematic Superman film; it's just the most successful in execution. See, I said I didn't want to say anything, and look what happened. *shrugs*

Olympus Has Fallen was painful to watch. Bad CGI, by-the-numbers plot and gratuitously violent. I can't believe there's a sequel coming soon.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/08/2014 at 12:36 PM

Well yeah, the trailers made it pretty clear what WoWS was about, but it was still bordering on exhausting to watch at times. lol And I actually think this is DiCaprio's best performance for my money, and I've seen quite a few of his movies. What are your favorites of his?

MOS not being a Richard Donner movie has nothing to do with why I was disappointed by it. I'm no Donner fanatic by any stretch, and I was excited by the darker tone of Man of Steel's trailers, so that's not my issue. If you want to know how I feel about the Supes movies I've seen: I was ok, II was pretty good, and Returns was boring except for a few SFX sequences and Kevin Spacey's campiness as Luthor.

I thought MOS was boring, except for a few SFX scenes. I realize there were several, but mostly I just thought the fights in Metropolis at the end were adrenaline-inducing and well-choreographed, despite the practically glowing 7-11, SEARS and IHOP insignia also featured in these scenes. Michael Shannon's scenery chewing as Zod was also entertaining.  However, I feel that they could have made Pa Kent a bit more clever in how he dealt with Clark's identity, the acting felt flat to me, and the overall pacing was a bit too slow in my opinion, as I felt the movie dragged a bit. Also, I am getting tired of that darker-grayish look Hollywood movies wanting to take themselves seriously have had for the last decade or so. Finally, I have no problem with them making Superman a bit lost, trying to find his way to become a better hero, and winding up [SPOILERS] killing Zod on his path there. But the fact that family had about eight different ways to run while Superman was stalling Zod did bother me, which was a problem with either the directing or the direction of photography, not the writing, but it's a visual medium. Speaking of directing, I did think the camera shook too much, and zoomed in and out a bit too often.

I wouldn't say no to watching Man of Steel again, but I don't feel any inspiration to seek it out for another viewing. I don't love, hate, or really even dislike it, I just thought it was ok, and had some merits, but ultimately disappoited me a bit, which is pretty much how I felt about Returns. Though I will grant you I liked it better than Returns.

I agree with everything you just said about Olympus Has Fallen, except that it was painful to watch. :D

avidacridjam

01/08/2014 at 03:18 PM

DiCaprio has been on a roll since 2002: Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond (not that good a movie but Leo is fantastic), Shutter Island, Django Unchained (my favorite until WOWS). He felt miscast in Gangs of New York (and was bulldozed by Daniel Day-Lewis like everyone else). Titanic? I still like the film and DiCaprio is charismatic in it but it's a one-dimensional perfect-man good guy role (that film really belongs to Kate Winslet). Also impressive in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? 

See, you're getting me to talk more about Man of Steel. Sly devil....

I was unclear about regarding MOS: I know its differences from the first film wasn't what made you reject the film. I was talking about that in regard to the general consensus (I suspect, maybe mistakenly, that many still have strong nostalgic feelings about that one and that could hamper their ability to accept a different take).

The family that Zod is targeting at the end had his laser beam on one side and a shitload of rubble/debris on the other. They're trapped.

I felt Terrence Stamp's Zod (from II) was more scenery-chewing than Shannon's. Shannon's approach gives way to a more practical, direct Zod. And he doesn't have goofy lines such as "Why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?" Those first two films had a campier, whimsier tone so they got away with stuff like that. It would've failed in MOS.

Eh, I felt Pa Kent did the best he could (as he says at one point in the film) but he's stuck in an extraordinary position: you're raising an alien with unlimited power and potential, with no info on why he's here, in a world where the authorities (and the public at large) would react violently and in fear towards an alien. Young Clark might want to start saving people as early as possible but the consequences (reprisals for his foster parents or friends) could be too dire. Public knowledge of an alien on Earth would be serious business. Pa Kent doesn't have all the answers, true, but he believes Clark should live a little longer and find himself before taking up the mantle that he ultimately does. At that point, he's ready. 

I've seen way too many action films to feel the way I do about Olympus Has Fallen. Gotta go with what my gut tells me, as we all do. ;)

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/08/2014 at 03:48 PM

I've seen all of the DiCaprio movies you mention except Gangs of New York, and I still think Wolf of Wall Street is his best and am curious what your favorite is.

And yeah, I know a lot of people hate on MOS because it doesn't feel like the Donner Superman that serves nostalgia, but I have no nostalgia to serve.

I'll have to look at that scene with Zod again, because while I saw the rubble, I didn't see that it was in all directions they had to go. Nostalgia Critic brought this up in his review, so I can see that scene again if I want without watching the whole movie, I guess.

And I agree the first Zod was more campy and did more scenery chewing, but I still thought Shannon's Zod was entertainingly over-the-top and I didn't take him that seriously for all his screaming. I know what they were trying to do with having a darker villain, but I found him entertaining for different reasons.

As for Pa Kent, I understand that he doesn't have all the answers, but I think a bus full of children should warrant something more along the lines of "in future, you should be more discrete about this, and we need to find a way to work on that, but I'm not sure how" not a "maybe" when asked if Clark should have just let them drown. I guess you could say his "maybe" was a shorter version of saying my former quote, but that doesn't quite work, because that one doesn't imply letting them die may have been the right answer. Also, I know he probably says this when he meets with that mom in the house (I drifted in and out a bit throughout the movie), but these are people living in an American farm town. Even if Clark was involved, just say something to the effect of "God used him/it was a miracle." Honestly, anything but "maybe" would have been fine. Yeah, adulthood is hard and scary and confusing and the world is complex etc., but I feel like a character such as Pa Kent should have the resolve not to imply that means letting innocent people die within the context of an alternative is the right thing to do.  

Edit: the phrase "blah blah blah" has been replaced with "etc." in the last paragraph cause it was immature and rude, and I didn't mean to direct any of that at you. I will say that I find the complex world argument for some of the darker character choices made in modern media is often unconvincing to me, which is a whole other argument beyond just MOS.

avidacridjam

01/09/2014 at 04:08 AM

I'm pretty sure I said WOWS is my favorite of his (Django Unchained is in 2nd place).

You could've kept the "blah, blah, blah" in and I would've taken no offense. 

Pa Kent doesn't just leave it at "maybe".

Clark Kent: What was I supposed to do? Just let them die?
Jonathan Kent: Maybe...but there's more at stake here than our lives or the lives of those around us. When the world... When the world finds out what you can do, it's gonna change everything; our... our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human... everything.

I don't know what else to say. Right now I'm about to continue a debate about this film on another website. As much as I love the film I feel as though I've spent more time defending/debating it rather than talking about what it is that I enjoyed about it. Poor ole me. ;)

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/09/2014 at 09:51 AM

You did say you never saw him do anything like that, but then said it would be in a top 10 list for him, but not strong enough to crack the top 5, and I thought you were referring to his performance in both cases. That's what I guess confused me. But I guess we agree WOWS is his best performance.

I don't find that to be a convincing argument for letting a bus full of kids drown, and the maybe still bothers me with or without what he says next. And just because it'll change a lot, again, doesn't mean you should consider that letting people die within the context of an existing alternative is in any way the right thing to do, in my opinion. I don't think it serves the greater good to do that just so Clark doesn't get found out.

You don't necessarily have to say anything else. You enjoyed the movie more than I did, see some of the moments in it a bit differently than I do, and I can't take that away from you. You're probably not going to convince me to like the movie more than I do, and I had a few more problems with it we haven't discussed. I'm willing to debate it more if you'd like, albeit I'll be increasingly slower in my responses due to focusing on other things, but it's not going to change the fact this is all like, our opinions man. ;)

avidacridjam

01/09/2014 at 11:53 AM

Very true. And yet I'll make one more crack at the Pa Kent scene because I'm hopeless.

This time, Drew McWeeney (film critic at hitfix.com) says it better than I ever can. I'm also lazy.

"I've read complaints that Kevin Costner's Pa Kent instills fear in Clark as he raises him, but that's the point. Yes, it's easy to write a character who does everything perfectly and who is a flawless role model, but it's more interesting to explore what happens when we try our best for our kids but that best isn't good enough. It makes sense that Kent would try to keep his adopted son safe and protect the truth about who he is and where he comes from, and he knows full well that revealing that truth will change our entire relationship with the universe. How many things are that big or have been that big in the course of human history? Learning for sure that we are not the first intelligent civilization in the universe would be one of the biggest moments ever, and Kent fears that our reaction would take his son from him, even as he deals with his growing suspicions that his son is meant to change things. His advice is that Clark needs to wait for the right time to reveal himself, and while Clark tries to follow that advice, we also see that he is compelled to use the powers he has. He can't just sit it out and wait. He does good not because he was told to, but in spite of being warned against it. It is his nature, and that seems more interesting to me than someone who is pressed into service."

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/09/2014 at 12:11 PM

I don't think you have to press Clark into Boy Scout service or have Pa Kent be saddled with all the answers to do something different than having that "maybe" line, which still bothers me. Trust me, I'm not saying I'd be any more interested in full-on Boy Scout Clark or Pa Kent, either.

But I understand where you're both coming from and respect the opinion that the movie rightfully provides a more complex and confused Pa Kent than perhaps other iterations have. I just think they could have still conveyed that differently, and in my opinion better than they did.

And for shits and giggles, here's basically what we just did in video form ... at the top, because holy crap what is wrong with Internet Explorer? You give a browser a chance so you save on disk space ... aaaand it's not showing up, so here's the link ... aaaand wow. So we can all agree IE sucks, right?

avidacridjam

01/09/2014 at 03:04 PM

Fair enough. I need to leave this alone. There are other and better films to discuss. 

I don't see the video (and I use Chrome mostly, sometimes Firefox) but I do agree: IE is terrible. 

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/09/2014 at 03:17 PM

If you're at all curious about the video, it's Nostalgia Critic's Man of Steel review where he debates the movie with Angry Joe, who really liked it. It's readily available on blip.tv.

Now excuse me while I accept that my plan to save disk space won't work, and that I'll have to re-download the better browsers you mentioned. I guess I can just delete history on them more often. *sigh*

Jamie Alston Staff Writer

01/09/2014 at 12:16 PM

That was well-put.  I agree with that statement.

NSonic79

01/14/2014 at 01:17 PM

Pretty much all those videos you saw I planned on waiting for them to appear on netflix before I rent/buy them. Expect for that Wall Street one. i'm not one for movies that border on almost NC-17 rating terrirotry.

I actually watched that Superman review from angry joe/Nostalgia critic. Very good watch. helps me hold off on watching the movie. plus the song at the beginning was classic.

Super Step Contributing Writer

01/14/2014 at 03:36 PM

Well, had Scorsese not been the director, it almost certainly would have been an NC-17, so good thing you didn't watch it then. lol

I liked the song, too. I see what MoS defenders are saying, but for me, it's still just "meh."

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